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Sam GiftMon Apr-05-04 01:56 AM

  
"1953 Model 7 Dominator"


  

          

Anyone out there have a dual seat to suit the above..any condition....is a garden gate swing arm frame NOT the featherbed.....also looking for the teardrop style of silencers fitted to early domis and ES2's....
Will the dual seat off a 1953 Swingarm frame ES2 fit my domi ? ? ? ?

any help appreciated....Sam (Australia)

  

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RohanWed Apr-07-04 02:16 AM

  
#1. "RE: 1953 Model 7 Dominator"
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Hi Sam,
All the dualseats to fit plunger framed bikes were 3rd party suppliers, Norton didn't ever supply such a seat (?). You'll have to find a seat and modify it to suit (?). In some states of Oz a dualseat would not be legal - the plunger frame gives a non-sprung seat a rough ride.

Were the teardrop mufflers ever fitted to plunger domis ? I don't know about 1953, but 1952 and earlier had parallel style mufflers - only the swingarm frame bikes had teardrops. So you'd have to modify them to fit a plunger frame bike. Expensive, when they are not a bolt on fit. There are suppliers of such mufflers, if you are still interested could quote someone who could supply them...

Cheers,
Rohan.
sunny Oz.

  

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SamMon Apr-12-04 11:20 PM

  
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Hi Rohan.........thanks for the info........mine is in fact a swinging arm frame and I have since found out that the ES2 seats etc will fit.....Have sourced a seat from the UK but am still looking for the pear shaped pipes so if you know anyone who makes them at a reasonable price, would appreciate the info..........cheers Doug

  

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RohanMon Apr-12-04 11:44 PM

  
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Sam,
Armours in England are the usual source of a stock chromed pipe and muffler. Stainless is available locally.

Sorry, got thrown by you calling it a garden gate frame, didn't register the swing arm bit. Gardengate isn't a word normally used for your model... (?).

Cheers,
Rohan.

  

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SamThu Apr-15-04 10:03 PM

  
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thanks for the info Rohan..........I got the "gardengate" from a few people here in OZ with a "wealth" of knowledge on Nortons..Have seen it mentioned in a couple of books specific to the 53 swingarm model beign that it was supposedly the first swingarm frame......anyway no drama, I will try and source the pipes from Armour

cheers again

Sam

  

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Norton65caWed Sep-08-04 08:36 PM

  
#5. "RE: 1953 Model 7 Dominator"
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Hi all,
There were two different frames used for the model 7 dominator, and from what I've read on this forum, a third as well. The first, according to an Australian source here, was a rare rigid version for Oz only. The Model 7 was introduced to the rest of the world in 1949 with the plunger frame, commonly known as the "Garden Gate". This was followed in 1953, according to Bacon, with what he refers to as a pivoted fork frame. It had a dual seat. I have seen pictures of plunger framed model 7s with dual seats. The changes were simultaneous with the single cylinder models, and the frame was basically the same for both. The 500cc engine in the renowned featherbed frame was the model 88 Dominator, which was produced alongside the model 7 from its introduction in 1952, to the end of model 7 production in 1955.
cheers, Gary

  

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RohanThu Sep-09-04 04:33 AM

  
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Hi Gary,
Quite right, but the rigid framed dominators (1950-52) actually came out after the plunger (gardengate) dominators appeared in late 1948 for the 1949 season. With the swingarm and featherbed versions that makes 4 different frames to house the all-iron 500cc dominator engine...

Cheers,
Rohan.

  

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Norton65caThu Sep-09-04 09:14 PM

  
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Hi again, do you have a link to any pictures of these rigid framed bikes? I would be very interested in seeing one. That is interesting that the rigid framed bikes were exported later than the introduction of the plunger type machines. I wonder how many were made? I know that odd combinations often came out of the factory, for example there were a few plunger framed Big 4s (The sidevalve 588cc single chairpuller, usually found in rigid form). Bacons book also causes a bit of confusion, because his primary focus, stated once, I think, is the home market. People who take such things as colour schemes as gospel out of the Bacon book when examining American or other export market bikes are making an error. There is a good deal of evidence to suggest that export machines varied considerably in spec from those sold to the domestic market, which was seen as being considerably more conservative.
cheers, Gary

  

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RohanFri Sep-10-04 03:37 AM

  
#8. "RE: 1950-1952 Model 77 Dominator"
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This is the only link I know of to one of these rigid Model 77 Nortons.

This is from a 1952 Norton Catalog, for Australian buyers.

The Norton Factory Records list 237 of these made, and all delivered to Australia. Most of them were black, with a chromed and panelled (painted) tank, but a few were all metallic blue or grey (Before Triumph used this finish). Someone here in Oz has made a detailed study of them, in collaboration with the Librarian in the NOC in the UK. The NOC Calendar last year showed a pair of them, in restored and unrestored original condition. Dunno how they can claim "superlative roadholding" from a rigid framed bike - on rough aussie roads !!!

Cheers,
Rohan.

  

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Norton65caFri Sep-10-04 11:20 PM

  
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Thak you very much for the info. Just when you think you've got it all figured out, more info springs up out of nowhere! I have to see if I can get one of those calendars, but I guess they're all sold out by now. Cheers, Gary

  

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RohanThu Sep-16-04 04:01 AM

  
#10. "RE: 1950-1952 Model 77 Dominator"
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I learned something too - I didn't know the later dualseats would fit earlier bikes. And they are listed in the partslist....

Cheers,
Rohan.

  

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redtank2Mon May-18-09 06:36 PM
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#11. "RE: 1950-1952 Model 77 Dominator"
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Hi Rohan,
I am looking for information on the early 1950's Norton model 77. You say you have a picture, could I obtain a copy of this.
Cheers
Ian

  

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jameslynchTue Nov-03-09 04:57 PM
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i am interested in your thoughts on the model 77, is there verified paperwork for this model

  

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